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PostSubject: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:33 am

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3 Airbellum
1 Cat
3 Ryko
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:54 pm

- 1 AirBellum
+ 1 opre gmn?
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:32 pm

3 rekindling & 2 PoA ?
rekindling 1-2 aj

+1-2 hamster sesuai rendling yg dibuang
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:58 pm

kan g maen hamster...
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:40 pm

kenapa tidak ?
k'lo mo nambah oppre lebih baik buang rekindling daripada airbellum
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:45 pm

rorikon wrote:
kenapa tidak ?
k'lo mo nambah oppre lebih baik buang rekindling daripada airbellum

Somehow I lol'ed...
rekindling lebih banyak plusnya IMO...
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:30 pm

rorikon wrote:
kenapa tidak ?
k'lo mo nambah oppre lebih baik buang rekindling daripada airbellum

klo g ngerti cr maen na mending jgn bilang ap2,Rekindling itu penting tau...
No offense
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sat May 01, 2010 2:06 pm

mungkin gw beginner yg gak bisa main, tapi dari sudut pandang gw

okay, rekindling plus
tapi itu kalau bisa ada dog & magician di grave dan cuma itu syarat plus nya

gw menyarankan rekindling di 1-2 karena pakai 2 avarice
2 avarice berarti lebih baik bawa ke engine cat->bellum+ryko+gk
main 2 avarice kadang tabrakan ama rekindling, bukan pas keduanya dapet barengan (pasti rekin->sync->avarice) tapi pas pake avarice balikin flveil trus malah dapet rekind (via avarice atau next turn) yg malah jd kartu mati di turn itu
power di deck ini masih sync lv 5-7 kan, lv 8 lebih sering stardust buat coverage
min 1 airbellum gak begitu bagus menurut gw, walau cat 1, bellum bisa bawa sync menyebalkan dan chance discard kartu lawan 1


kalau tetap mau main 3 rekindling gw malah saranin bawa hamster supaya ryko cepat dan chance dump flveil lebih banyak
sekalian bawa monk karena flveil magician di tangan itu gak enak, bisa search cat sekaligus dump avarice/rekind k'lo gak perlu


yah tapi apa sih yg gw tau cuma bermodalkan main di DS
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sat May 01, 2010 2:50 pm

Ini adalah sebuah skenario :

Main Phase 2, Drill Warrior RFPed, 5 monsters in grave, including Dandylion, Debris Dragon, and of course, Quickdraw Synchron. Avarice di tangan, 2 Fluff Token di field dan akan kurang 1 di turn lawan.

Pilih yang mana? Tunggu sampe next standby phase, munculin macem Stardust/Quickdraw shenanigans atau langsung Avarice aja, tapi Drill Warrior jadi -1?

That said, you do not have to always use Avarice the moment you can when you can do something more beneficial.
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sun May 02, 2010 9:59 am

Wew dah lama ga ngecek ada yg debat.
Ok, apa yg dkatakan Rorikon emang bnar. 3 Rekindling mnurut gw emang kbanyakan kalo nyampur ama Cat. Apalgi drawnya waktu early game, ga guna bnget.
Tpi ganti jangan Airbellum, cat mah harus 3 airbellum. Plg ganti road.
Btw gw dah bw Hamster krn brusan dpt dan yg pasti bwa Caius!
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sun May 02, 2010 5:45 pm

=Death Zero= wrote:
Ini adalah sebuah skenario :

Main Phase 2, Drill Warrior RFPed, 5 monsters in grave, including Dandylion, Debris Dragon, and of course, Quickdraw Synchron. Avarice di tangan, 2 Fluff Token di field dan akan kurang 1 di turn lawan.

Pilih yang mana? Tunggu sampe next standby phase, munculin macem Stardust/Quickdraw shenanigans atau langsung Avarice aja, tapi Drill Warrior jadi -1?

That said, you do not have to always use Avarice the moment you can when you can do something more beneficial.
cek LP,lihat jumlah kartu di tangan lawan, lihat spell dan trap pelindung milik sendiri yang sudah ada di grave (kesempatan dapet kartu yg berguna k'lo pake avarice), ingat-ingat efek kartu lawan yang mungkin mengancam dan belum dipakai

kalau merasa aman jelas jangan pakai avaricenya
kalau merasa 2 fluff gak cukup untuk bertahan (gak kalah) sampai turn berikut ya pakai


tapi apa hubungannya dengan rekindling ?
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sun May 02, 2010 7:10 pm

You have 5 monsters in the grave, 3 of them are Flamvells.
You feel that Rekindling is so close to your topdeck.
You have Avarice in your hand, wait it or use it?

Now to reply the other part of your question...
Umm.... punya defense ngapain cek LP? If you Avarice'ed. Congratulations on making a +1 to be a 2 for 2. For your information, Drill dodges BTH, Torrential and such when SSed via his own effect.

You can also play Fabled to experience situations like this.
Gwa bilang lagi, Avarice itu bukan kartu "dapet 5 langsung pake". If you really think of it like that, why not main 3 Avarice?

But let's not derail the topic anymore.

@Deck :
Oppre 1 cukup, toh ini deck yg pake SS banyak...
Rekindling kalo gampang milling (toh ada Ryko, Hamster + Trooper) pake 3 aja.
Although if you want the best consistency using 3 Rekindling, you might like to thicken your deck by 1 or 2 cards... Gpp kalo milling dah cukup banyak.
Or you can stay with 40 cards, use 2 Rekindling for best, 3 if you really like it.

Just some opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Sun May 02, 2010 8:08 pm

Deck gw dah diubah full framvell. Ato ga ganti2 Cat biasa ato Framvell Cat jg bsa trgantung mood. LOL
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 6:17 pm

rorikon wrote:
mungkin gw beginner yg gak bisa main, tapi dari sudut pandang gw

okay, rekindling plus
tapi itu kalau bisa ada dog & magician di grave dan cuma itu syarat plus nya

gw menyarankan rekindling di 1-2 karena pakai 2 avarice
2 avarice berarti lebih baik bawa ke engine cat->bellum+ryko+gk
main 2 avarice kadang tabrakan ama rekindling, bukan pas keduanya dapet barengan (pasti rekin->sync->avarice) tapi pas pake avarice balikin flveil trus malah dapet rekind (via avarice atau next turn) yg malah jd kartu mati di turn itu
power di deck ini masih sync lv 5-7 kan, lv 8 lebih sering stardust buat coverage
min 1 airbellum gak begitu bagus menurut gw, walau cat 1, bellum bisa bawa sync menyebalkan dan chance discard kartu lawan 1


kalau tetap mau main 3 rekindling gw malah saranin bawa hamster supaya ryko cepat dan chance dump flveil lebih banyak
sekalian bawa monk karena flveil magician di tangan itu gak enak, bisa search cat sekaligus dump avarice/rekind k'lo gak perlu


yah tapi apa sih yg gw tau cuma bermodalkan main di DS

Tdk masalah anda main d DS,dari yg saya lihat anda terlalu bnyk Teori...
kalau d BlackWing saya pk 3 Rai-oh anda mgkn bilang Rai-oh pk 1-2 aj atau tdk pake sama sekali...
saya lbih suka Praktek daripada teori...
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 6:19 pm

Rokaenji wrote:
Deck gw dah diubah full framvell. Ato ga ganti2 Cat biasa ato Framvell Cat jg bsa trgantung mood. LOL

skrg maen pk list ini?
IMO...
-1 Rekindling
+1 Oppre
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 7:01 pm

sory OOT

^
double post?

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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 7:08 pm

Dah bda listnya.
Mles ngepost. Dan gw ngenetdeck yg Top16 pke Framvell
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 7:17 pm

Little_Ciel wrote:
sory OOT

^
double post?

g taw cr na biar sekaligus...

Ya Mau Gimana Lagi?
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 7:50 pm

=Death Zero= wrote:
You have 5 monsters in the grave, 3 of them are Flamvells.
You feel that Rekindling is so close to your topdeck.
You have Avarice in your hand, wait it or use it?

Now to reply the other part of your question...
Umm.... punya defense ngapain cek LP? If you Avarice'ed. Congratulations on making a +1 to be a 2 for 2. For your information, Drill dodges BTH, Torrential and such when SSed via his own effect.

You can also play Fabled to experience situations like this.
Gwa bilang lagi, Avarice itu bukan kartu "dapet 5 langsung pake". If you really think of it like that, why not main 3 Avarice?

But let's not derail the topic anymore.
sebenarnya yg jadi masalah

would you even put flamvell in drill+dandy deck ?!
I though flamveill+cat & drill+dandy has so many differences (I can't imagine a mix of "6 fl, 1 cat, 3 bellum" and "3 lonefire, 1 tytanial, 2 dandy, 2-3 debris, 1-2 quickdraw")
drill+dandy can use 3 lonefire + 1 tytanial engine better than putting 6 flamveil.
also debris is good in drill+dandy, while I don't see how it can fit with flamveil nor spy engine.

that's why in my last post I'm asking the relation of rekindling and avarice situation, because IMO, rekindling is way off from drill+dandy deck

Also in a case you have 2 fluff token on your field and 2000 LP left, how can you really sure your opponent won't sync Flamvell Uruquizas for the game ?
I'm not telling to just use Avarice as soon as you get it, but to think carefully, a good opponent can do almost anything to beat you next turn if you can't read the situation.


I'm sorry for this post, but somehow I felt like my opinion was insignificant at all. Is this community treat a n00b that low ?
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 7:56 pm

rorikon wrote:
=Death Zero= wrote:
You have 5 monsters in the grave, 3 of them are Flamvells.
You feel that Rekindling is so close to your topdeck.
You have Avarice in your hand, wait it or use it?

Now to reply the other part of your question...
Umm.... punya defense ngapain cek LP? If you Avarice'ed. Congratulations on making a +1 to be a 2 for 2. For your information, Drill dodges BTH, Torrential and such when SSed via his own effect.

You can also play Fabled to experience situations like this.
Gwa bilang lagi, Avarice itu bukan kartu "dapet 5 langsung pake". If you really think of it like that, why not main 3 Avarice?

But let's not derail the topic anymore.
sebenarnya yg jadi masalah

would you even put flamvell in drill+dandy deck ?!
I though flamveill+cat & drill+dandy has so many differences (I can't imagine a mix of "6 fl, 1 cat, 3 bellum" and "3 lonefire, 1 tytanial, 2 dandy, 2-3 debris, 1-2 quickdraw")
drill+dandy can use 3 lonefire + 1 tytanial engine better than putting 6 flamveil.
also debris is good in drill+dandy, while I don't see how it can fit with flamveil nor spy engine.

that's why in my last post I'm asking the relation of rekindling and avarice situation, because IMO, rekindling is way off from drill+dandy deck

Also in a case you have 2 fluff token on your field and 2000 LP left, how can you really sure your opponent won't sync Flamvell Uruquizas for the game ?
I'm not telling to just use Avarice as soon as you get it, but to think carefully, a good opponent can do almost anything to beat you next turn if you can't read the situation.


I'm sorry for this post, but somehow I felt like my opinion was insignificant at all. Is this community treat a n00b that low ?
Sabar gan, itu cuma cntoh pmakaian avarice aja. Bkn mau dcampur.
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Mon May 03, 2010 10:00 pm

Please Cool Down dulu...
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue May 04, 2010 4:03 pm

@rorikon : Lonefire is already semi since last format.
I'll give you a proper reply by tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue May 04, 2010 7:15 pm

yap, memang semi, kyaknya gw kebawa emosi pas post

well... anggap aja sebuah troll yang sukses daripada mikir yg nggak-nggak Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Tue May 04, 2010 8:53 pm

spt yg saya blg base na teori lol
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PostSubject: Re: Framvell Cat Ft. Spies   Wed May 05, 2010 9:28 pm

@rorikon : Here's the proper reply for your enjoyment reading.

Not all Quickdraw decks are about Plants imo. They have their own topic.
Actually, I do think there's a way to mix Flamvell, minus Cat with QuickBris (as I call it).

How many people in YVD use Uruquizas over Gaia Knight which can instantly eat a Stardust?

To think carefully that much means you forsake the word 'Destiny Draw'.
Sometimes, even if one managed to read the situation, they can't do anything because of the word pressure.

As said, we don't care how you obtain your experience. Imo you should try playing YVD with us. And my question is a question on using Avarice. Not mixing FV Cat with Quickdraw.

This community doesn't treat noobs lowly FYI. Why not try to take a look at the FB NDA?
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